On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 2:49 PM Karsten Wade <kwade(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Hi folx, > > We need to make changes to our messaging and particularly our website. > The changes are to clarify the Operate First project purpose and activities > outside of providing a community cloud as a service for others, > > The Operate First community cloud was always a means toward an end goal, > not the goal itself. Our challenge is to clarify the end goal, which needs > to look more like a community of practice > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_practice> than a software or > service provider. > > How about this as a process for changing the website? > Sounds good to me. > > 1. We use this thread to discuss what changes need to happen, and talk > through any confusion or differences of opinion. > > 2. As we discuss, we use specific pull requests (PRs) for each page being > changed, so we can view the changes as a living draft. > > 3. Once we're at the point of writing specific changes into specific > pages (i.e., as we start drafting up PRs), the discussion to finalize each > page happens within the PR primarily. > > 4. If we can get to a consensus by the middle of next week, we can go > ahead and start committing changes to the website to roll out the > clarifications. > > Any thoughts, concerns, or other approaches? > > Kind regards, > - Karsten > -- > Karsten Wade [he/him/his] | Principal Community Architect | @quaid > Red Hat Open Source Program Office (OSPO) : @redhatopen > The Open Source Way : https://theopensourceway.org > Operate First : https://operate-first.cloud > _______________________________________________ > Community mailing list -- community(a)lists.operate-first.cloud > To unsubscribe send an email to community-leave(a)lists.operate-first.cloud > _______________________________________________ Community mailing list -- community(a)lists.operate-first.cloud To unsubscribe send an email to community-leave(a)lists.operate-first.cloud

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Ok, here are some initial thoughts on changes needed on the landing page operate-first.cloud. The focus needs to change from being community cloud centric. Change 1 The banner statement currently is "Operate First >> Building an all-Open Source community cloud to learn and make things* <https://www.operate-first.cloud/about> better" How about : Operate FIrst >> Building an open source community for cloud operations" Change 2 Next the question needs to change from "Why build an all-Open Source community cloud?" How about: "Why build an open community centered on cloud operations? The paragraph that follows needs no changes. Let's start with these 2. Other changes with links will be needed on the main page too. But let's work on these two first.

cheers, Bill On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 7:15 PM <jbrooks(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > Sounds good to me > _______________________________________________ > Community mailing list -- community(a)lists.operate-first.cloud > To unsubscribe send an email to community-leave(a)lists.operate-first.cloud > -- *Bill Burns (*He/Him/His) Operate First Program Manager Customer-led Open Innovation Team (CTO-COI) Red Hat <https://www.redhat.com/> bburns(a)redhat.com _______________________________________________ Community mailing list -- community(a)lists.operate-first.cloud To unsubscribe send an email to community-leave(a)lists.operate-first.cloud

Hey all, I wonder if its really about a community gather/learn/... about cloud operations. That is focusing on the current state: How do we... what are the best practices... Can we solve .. using GitOps... ?! How about: Operate First >> creating the user experience of the supercloud! The supercloud is the open hybrid cloud we all know, plus all the automation goodies, plus all the new and autonomous operations to come. And the user experience is important, as we don't want to show of product demos, but we want to influence how future technology is used, how we can leverage all the tech to create benefits for users, may it be the over worked sysadmin, the data scientist that needs to get things done fast, or the intelligent-app developer that needs a cyborg keeping the code and deployment secure.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 11:24 PM Heidi Dempsey <hdempsey(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 3:25 PM Bill Burns [he/him] <bburns(a)redhat.com&gt; > wrote: > >> >> Ok, here are some initial thoughts on changes needed on the landing page >> operate-first.cloud. >> >> The focus needs to change from being community cloud centric. >> >> Change 1 >> The banner statement currently is "Operate First >> Building an >> all-Open Source community cloud to learn and make things* >> <https://www.operate-first.cloud/about> better" >> How about : Operate FIrst >> Building an open source community for cloud >> operations" >> >> Change 2 >> Next the question needs to change from "Why build an all-Open Source >> community cloud?" >> How about: "Why build an open community centered on cloud operations? >> The paragraph that follows needs no changes. >> >> Let's start with these 2. Other changes with links will be needed on the >> main page too. >> But let's work on these two first. >> > > I like that emphasis and think those are both good changes. > >> >> cheers, >> Bill >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 7:15 PM <jbrooks(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >>> Sounds good to me >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community mailing list -- community(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> community-leave(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Bill Burns (*He/Him/His) >> Operate First Program Manager >> Customer-led Open Innovation Team (CTO-COI) >> Red Hat <https://www.redhat.com/> >> bburns(a)redhat.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community mailing list -- community(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >> To unsubscribe send an email to community-leave(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >> > _______________________________________________ > Community mailing list -- community(a)lists.operate-first.cloud > To unsubscribe send an email to community-leave(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >

I did pull requests for the main page changes I proposed. Following the "community cloud" link on the main page I will propose this change... From: Operate First Community Cloud The Operate First Community Cloud is a shared environment for Open Source projects and SRE practitioners. To: Community Cloud A Community Cloud is a shared environment for Open Source projects and SRE A Community Cloud is a shared environment for Open Source projects and SRE practitioners. An initial Community Cloud, which was established on bare metal hardware provided by the Mass Open Cloud (MOC), is documented here. It was decommissioned in the spring of 2023 due to lack of personnel to operate it. Open Source workloads have since moved to various community clusters to continue their work. At the present time, there is no bare metal cloud where Open Source operations can be vetted. Commitment of resources to manage such a cloud will be needed for resumption. thoughts? cheers, Bill On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 9:22 AM Bill Burns [he/him] <bburns(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2023 at 3:23 AM Christoph Görn <goern(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> Hey all, >> I wonder if its really about a community gather/learn/... about cloud >> operations. That is focusing on the current state: How do we... what are >> the best practices... Can we solve .. using GitOps... ?! >> >> How about: Operate First >> creating the user experience of the >> supercloud! >> >> The supercloud is the open hybrid cloud we all know, plus all the >> automation goodies, plus all the new and autonomous operations to come. >> >> And the user experience is important, as we don't want to show of >> product demos, but we want to influence how future technology is used, how >> we can leverage all the tech to create benefits for users, may it be the >> over worked sysadmin, the data scientist that needs to get things done >> fast, or the intelligent-app developer that needs a cyborg keeping the code >> and deployment secure. >> >> > > Would your supercloud make a good second paragraph? I think for the main > line and question, keeping them simple > and not introducing a new term makes the page the most accessible to > folks that land there. Having an > additional paragraph of link to this supercloud content would be great to > add. > > Thoughts? > > I am working to make a pull request for the two changes I suggested. > > cheers, > Bill > > //G >> >> On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 11:24 PM Heidi Dempsey <hdempsey(a)redhat.com&gt; >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2023 at 3:25 PM Bill Burns [he/him] <bburns(a)redhat.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Ok, here are some initial thoughts on changes needed on the landing >>>> page >>>> operate-first.cloud. >>>> >>>> The focus needs to change from being community cloud centric. >>>> >>>> Change 1 >>>> The banner statement currently is "Operate First >> Building an >>>> all-Open Source community cloud to learn and make things* >>>> <https://www.operate-first.cloud/about> better" >>>> How about : Operate FIrst >> Building an open source community for >>>> cloud operations" >>>> >>>> Change 2 >>>> Next the question needs to change from "Why build an all-Open Source >>>> community cloud?" >>>> How about: "Why build an open community centered on cloud operations? >>>> The paragraph that follows needs no changes. >>>> >>>> Let's start with these 2. Other changes with links will be needed on >>>> the main page too. >>>> But let's work on these two first. >>>> >>> >>> I like that emphasis and think those are both good changes. >>> >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 7:15 PM <jbrooks(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sounds good to me >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Community mailing list -- community(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>> community-leave(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Bill Burns (*He/Him/His) >>>> Operate First Program Manager >>>> Customer-led Open Innovation Team (CTO-COI) >>>> Red Hat <https://www.redhat.com/> >>>> bburns(a)redhat.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community mailing list -- community(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>> community-leave(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community mailing list -- community(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>> community-leave(a)lists.operate-first.cloud >>> >> > > -- > *Bill Burns (*He/Him/His) > Operate First Program Manager > Customer-led Open Innovation Team (CTO-COI) > Red Hat <https://www.redhat.com/> > bburns(a)redhat.com > > -- *Bill Burns (*He/Him/His) Operate First Program Manager Customer-led Open Innovation Team (CTO-COI) Red Hat <https://www.redhat.com/> bburns(a)redhat.com